George & Charlotte (Menard)

Grimshaw Family Line

 

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George Grimshaw was apparently born in New Hampshire in about 1794, most likely the son of William and Elizabeth (Lepninah or Zephaniah) Grimshaw. He and Charlotte Menard, a French Canadian, were married at St. Luc, Quebec on September 9, 1817. Sometime later they settled on Wolfe Island, Ontario at the head of the St. Lawrence River, where they owned land on the northern shore of the island. George and Charlotte had several children while on the island. Charlotte apparently died before George moved away from the island, but her grave has not yet been located. George and his children left Wolfe Island, and at least three of his sons moved to Wisconsin. After living for a time in New York, and possibly Pennsylvania, George also moved to Wisconsin and apparently died there.

George and Charlotte's descendants comprise one of the largest branches of the Grimshaw family in North America. The author of this website is in their family line. Terry (Grimshaw) Micks has conducted extensive research on George and Charlotte's descendants, which is summarized on a companion webpage. Barbara Bonner has also researched this line (and collateral Grimshaw descendant lines of William and Elizabeth Grimshaw), which is presented on another companion webpage.

Contents

Webpage Credits

Descendant Chart of George and Charlotte Grimshaw

Marriage Certificate and George's Baptism Record

Connection of George and Charlotte to William and Mary Ann (Blair) Grimshaw Line

Probable Connection to William Grimshaw, Revolutionary War Veteran

Possible Mariner Connections of George Grimshaw Line

Location and Photos of Land Owned by George and Charlotte on Wolfe Island

1880 U.S. Census Record Showing George Grimshaw Record

Final Resting Places of George and Charlotte Grimshaw

Ancestor Information for Charlotte Menard from Madeleine Menard

Descendants of George and Charlotte Grimshaw's Children, Marcelina and Eli George Grimshaw

Reference

 

Webpage Credits

Thanks go to Barbara Bonner, Terry (Grimshaw) Micks, and Bob Grimshaw, for developing much of the information on this webpage, sharing it freely with the author, and educating him on Grimshaw family history. Thanks also to Calvin Lamb for consenting to the inclusion of the marriage and baptism records presented in this webpage. And thanks to Madeleine Menard for posting information on Charlotte Menard's ancestry on a website; a summary of this information is included below. Finally, thanks to Terry Micks for showing the author around the Oakdale, Wisconsin cemetery, the likely burial place of George Grimshaw.

 

Descendant Chart of George and Charlotte Grimshaw

George and Charlotte's family tree has been prepared by Terry (Grimshaw) Micks in conjunction with Barbara Bonner and is posted on the Internet. It is presented in Figure 1 in summary form (three generations down). The connection of this family back to the Lancastrian Grimshaws has not yet been established.

Figure 1. George and Charlotte (Menard) Grimshaw's Descendant Chart

George Grimshaw (About 1794 - ) & Charlotte Menard (About 1795 - )

|-----Christiana Grimshaw (25 Dec 1825 - ) & John Egner

|-----|-----Sarah Ann Egner (16 Feb 1848 - )

|-----Marcelina Grimshaw (About Jan 1828 - )

|-----John James Grimshaw* (1 Aug 1829 - 19 Mar 1907) & Mary Ann Mahoney (About 1822 - )

|-----|-----Eliza Mahoney (About 1846 - )

|-----|-----George Thomas Grimshaw (19 Jul 1849 - 29 Sep 1915) & Aris Phedora Ladd (29 Dec 1848 - )

|-----|-----|-----William Allen Grimshaw (22 Mar 1872 - 1944)

|-----|-----|-----Anna Celestine ("Tina") Grimshaw (7 Dec 1874 - 19 Oct 1962)

|-----|-----|-----Wallace J Grimshaw (3 Apr 1881 - 1942)

|-----|-----|-----Mary Evelyn ('Eva") Grimshaw (13 Jul 1883 - 1964)

|-----|-----|-----Nettie Estelle ("Stella") Grimshaw (29 Oct 1885 - 26 Jan 1892)

|-----|-----|-----Walter Claude Grimshaw (17 Sep 1890 - 7 Feb 1920)

|-----|-----John Etimer Grimshaw (26 Oct 1850 - 1934) & Eliza Norris (3 Feb 1854 - 9 May 1927)

|-----|-----|-----May Grimshaw (About 1872 - )

|-----|-----|-----Anna Grimshaw (About 1873 - )

|-----|-----|-----Sarah Grimshaw (About 1877 - )

|-----|-----|-----Allice Grimshaw (About 1879 - )

|-----|-----|-----Maud Ethel Grimshaw (Feb 1883 - )

|-----|-----Isiah Grimshaw (About 27 Jun 1853 - About 15 Jul 1853)

|-----|-----Mary Charlotte Grimshaw (About 27 Jun 1853 - About 15 Jul 1853)

|-----|-----William Alexander Grimshaw (20 Aug 1854 - 1934) & Jane Turner (4 Oct 1854 - )

|-----|-----|-----Bulah Grimshaw (About 1873 - )

|-----|-----|-----Jonas Grimshaw (15 Nov 1874 - 13 Feb 1875)

|-----|-----|-----Cora Nellie Grimshaw (1 Jun 1876 - 2 Nov 1964)

|-----|-----|-----Ida Grimshaw (Before 1878 - )

|-----|-----|-----Thomas Henry Grimshaw (13 Jun 1878 - 9 Jan 1961)

|-----|-----|-----Turner Squire Grimshaw (22 May 1880 - 2 Dec 1894)

|-----|-----|-----Bert F Grimshaw (Jul 1882 - )

|-----|-----|-----Frank B Grimshaw (2 Jul 1883 - 17 Oct 1950)

|-----|-----|-----William Riley Grimshaw (4 Aug 1884 - 7 Sep 1884)

|-----|-----|-----Lillian V Grimshaw (14 Aug 1886 - 23 Jul 1969)

|-----|-----|-----Mary Ellen Grimshaw (28 Dec 1888 - )

|-----|-----|-----Roland Clarence Grimshaw (12 Oct 1893 - 7 Sep 1894)

|-----|-----|-----Lovina Grimshaw (9 Sep 1899 - )

|-----|-----Michael Henry Grimshaw (22 Oct 1856 - 26 Oct 1916) & Maria W Norris (10 Mar 1861 - )

|-----|-----|-----Garth Grimshaw (1880 - 1880)

|-----|-----|-----Bertha Luella Grimshaw (16 Jun 1881 - 27 Jan 1921)

|-----|-----|-----William Clarence Grimshaw (8 Jun 1884 - 1 May 1954)

|-----|-----|-----Thomas Meredith Grimshaw (8 Aug 1886 - 23 Mar 1887)

|-----|-----|-----James Henry Grimshaw (4 Feb 1888 - 9 Dec 1930)

|-----|-----|-----Irene Grimshaw (22 Jan 1890 - 1977)

|-----|-----Lyda Grimshaw & ? Ritchie

|-----John James Grimshaw* (1 Aug 1829 - 19 Mar 1907) & Margaret Newburn (30 Jul 1839 - 4 Feb 1903)

|-----Alexander Eli Grimshaw (May 1830 - 4 Aug 1877) & Sarah Ann Thompson (1828 - 18 Nov 1891)

|-----|-----Mahala J Grimshaw* (1 Jul 1852 - 1927) & John L Lee

|-----|-----|-----Henrietta E Lee (About 1875 - )

|-----|-----|-----Eli Alexander Lee ( - About Oct 1897)

|-----|-----|-----George Leonard Lee

|-----|-----Mahala J Grimshaw* (1 Jul 1852 - 1927) & Charles T Claflin ( - Before 1910)

|-----|-----Elizabeth Rosanna Grimshaw (6 Nov 1853 - 28 Nov 1895) & John Hyland Youngs (10 Nov 1844 - )

|-----|-----|-----Elsie J Youngs (About 1871 - )

|-----|-----|-----Ida Mae Youngs (About 1875 - 15 Apr 1899)

|-----|-----|-----Sarah E Youngs (About 1878 - )

|-----|-----|-----Eddie Youngs (May 1886 - )

|-----|-----|-----Jess Youngs (Apr 1888 - )

|-----|-----|-----Harriet ("Hattie") Youngs

|-----|-----Charlotte (Lottie) Grimshaw (14 Feb 1856 - 19 Jul 1936) & John Emmerson Troupe (21 Sep 1871 - )

|-----|-----|-----Lillian ("Bertha") Troupe (28 Feb 1875 - 28 Jul 1934)

|-----|-----|-----Carl Henry Troupe (6 Mar 1881 - 29 Jan 1962)

|-----|-----|-----Mabel Violet Troupe (22 Feb 1887 - 24 Jan 1971)

|-----|-----|-----Harry Nelson Troupe (19 Feb 1896 - 16 May 1957)

|-----|-----Mary E J (Ellen) Grimshaw* (Oct 1857 - ) & Charles M Hodges (1872 - 1935)

|-----|-----|-----Charles M Hodges (1872 - 1935)

|-----|-----|-----Merritt Hodges

|-----|-----|-----Dorothy Hodges

|-----|-----|-----Claude Hodges

|-----|-----|-----Amelia Jennie Hodges (About 1878 - 10 Apr 1919)

|-----|-----Mary E J (Ellen) Grimshaw* (Oct 1857 - ) & Aron (Ed) Bowman (1844 - 8 Feb 1924)

|-----|-----Eli Alexander Grimshaw (1859 - 1924) & Mary Murphy (11 Jul 1859 - 28 Feb 1947)

|-----|-----|-----Eli Alexander Grimshaw (28 Aug 1879 - 1924)

|-----|-----|-----Annie May Grimshaw (26 Aug 1881 - )

|-----|-----|-----Cora Belle Grimshaw (Apr 1885 - May 1966)

|-----|-----|-----Mahala Grimshaw (Oct 1890 - )

|-----|-----|-----Albert Grimshaw (17 Mar 1894 - 17 Nov 1955)

|-----|-----Andrew B Grimshaw* (15 Jul 1862 - 20 Feb 0194) & Almira J Bloss

|-----|-----Andrew B Grimshaw* (15 Jul 1862 - 20 Feb 0194) & Mary Rosa Johnson (6 Jul 1870 - )

|-----|-----|-----Charlotte Anna Grimshaw (Jul 1891 - )

|-----|-----|-----Perle Leonard Grimshaw (4 Nov 1895 - 9 Oct 1980)

|-----|-----|-----Infant Grimshaw (Before 1900 - )

|-----|-----Anna (Annie) Grimshaw (15 Jul 1862 - 20 Jun 1900) & Henry F Minor (May 1838 - )

|-----|-----|-----Bartholomew Minor (Jun 1878 - )

|-----|-----|-----Emma Minor (Aug 1879 - )

|-----|-----|-----Frank Minor (Aug 1884 - )

|-----|-----|-----Charlotte Minor (Apr 1886 - )

|-----|-----Mary Jane ("Minnie") Grimshaw (17 Apr 1865 - 24 Apr 1902) & Patrick F Murphy ( - 8 May 1883)

|-----|-----|-----William Murphy

|-----|-----|-----Howard Murphy

|-----|-----|-----Perle Murphy

|-----|-----William Henry Grimshaw (14 Oct 1865 - 3 Jul 1936) & Else Marie Oleson (6 Sep 1868 - )

|-----|-----|-----Ella Marie Grimshaw (7 Jul 1891 - )

|-----|-----|-----Jessie Mae Grimshaw (10 Mar 1893 - 1979)

|-----|-----|-----Agnes Evelyn Grimshaw (24 Mar 1895 - )

|-----|-----|-----William Alexander Grimshaw (14 Dec 1900 - 7 Jun 1970)

|-----|-----|-----Earl Melvin Grimshaw (17 Oct 1904 - 1 Jul 1906)

|-----|-----|-----Harold Laverne Grimshaw (6 Aug 1913 - 6 Jun 1993)

|-----|-----Emma Grimshaw (About 1868 - ) & Arthur Smith

|-----|-----|-----Mildred ("Minnie") Smith

|-----|-----|-----Percy Calvin Smith

|-----|-----|-----Gertrude Amelia Smith

|-----|-----|-----Gretchen Smith

|-----|-----|-----Luella Smith

|-----|-----|-----Alice Smith

|-----|-----|-----Arthur Sidney Smith

|-----|-----|-----James DeWitt Smith

|-----|-----|-----William Bartholomew Smith

|-----|-----Lewis Grimshaw (About Jan 1870 - )

|-----Henrietta Grimshaw (About 1833 - )

|-----Charlotte Rosalie Grimshaw (12 May 1835 - )

|-----Eli George Grimshaw* (22 Feb 1838 - Jan 1885) & Hannah Christiana Sudds (About 1841 - )

|-----|-----Joseph Amos Grimshaw (About 1861 - )

|-----Eli George Grimshaw* (22 Feb 1838 - Jan 1885) & Sarah Elizabeth Pepper (3 Jun 1850 - 3 Sep 1911)

|-----|-----James Leonard Grimshaw (25 Feb 1870 - ) & Martini (Martha) Christensen (22 Apr 1874 - )

|-----|-----|-----Myrtle V Grimshaw (20 Aug 1896 - 4 Nov 1896)

|-----|-----|-----Louis Henry Grimshaw (20 Jan 1898 - )

|-----|-----|-----Rosie E Grimshaw (3 Jun 1901 - 13 Apr 1907)

|-----|-----|-----Eli Leonard Grimshaw (18 Oct 1903 - 10 Aug 1970)

|-----|-----|-----William Grimshaw (25 Jul 1906 - 29 Mar 1983)

|-----|-----|-----Walter James Grimshaw (2 May 1910 - 1 Aug 1910)

|-----|-----|-----Laura Louelle Grimshaw (1 Sep 1912 - 22 Jun 1976)

|-----Levi Bartholomew Grimshaw (22 Jun 1863 - ) & Catherine (About 1845 - )

|-----|-----Mary Grimshaw (About 1864 - )

 

Marriage Record and George's Baptism Record

George and Charlotte were married in St. Luc, which is a few miles southeast of Montreal (Figure 2.) Calvin Lamb has located the records of George and Charlotte's marriage certificate and George's certificate of baptism; they are described below.

 

Figure 2. Map of Montreal area showing the location of St. Luc southeast of Montreal (just below marker for Highway 112)

The marriage of George and Charlotte was recorded in French at St. Luc Catholic Church. Calvin Lamb has located the record and translated it as shown below (in French and then in English.)  An image of the original record is shown in Figure 3 below. The record can be seen on Calvin’s webpage (records 18 and 19) at the following address: 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lambs/MiscChurchRec.htm.

Saint Luc Catholic Church – 1817

M contre George Grimshaw & Charlotte Menard 13

Le neuf Septembre mil huit cent dix-sept, avec Lapprobation de heprise Roux, Diacise General de ce Diaceise, nous pritse souligne, Cure en cette Caroipe, avons rece Se muties & en sentment le marriage de George Grimshaw, laboureur, de legitime de Guilliumme Grimshaw, & d'elizabeth Lepriaah, ses pere & mere de St Armand, de la Paroisse de St. Pierre, & de Charlotte Menard, fille mineur de Jean Baptiste Menard your nalhier, & de Marie Clement ses pere & mere de cette Paroisse: Les parties ayant obtenu dispense de trois publications de bans de marriage du Dit Nepire Roux; et leur avons done le benediction neuptiale avec les ceremonies prescrites par notre mere Le Ste. Elgise, et ce en pres en a d'Etienne Chabot, suivant le pere a L'epouix, de famt Baptiste Volin, son ami, de Jean Baptiste Menard frere de Lespouse, de Joseph Richard, & d' pleusures autres qui tous, ainsi que les epoux, ont declare ne Gavair signer, de ce requis, Section faite.

L. Martin
Pere

Source: Quebec Archives, Hull Branch, Reel: 2565, Volume 4, Folio 35, Frame: none shown.
Researcher: Calvin G. Lamb, viewed 18 JL 2000
.

The record in English is as follows;

Saint Luc Catholic Church – 1817

M between George Grimshaw & Charlotte Menard 13

The ninth of September one thousand eight hundred seventeen, with the approval of ? Red, General Diacise of this Diacise,we took underline, Priest of this Parish, with mutual & with agreement the marriage of George Grimshaw, Labourer, legitimate son of William Grimshaw & Elizabeth Lepriaah, his father & mother of St. Armand, of the Parish of St. Pierre, & of Charlotte Menard, minor daughter of Jean Baptiste Menard ?, & of Marie Clement her father & mother of this parish: The parties having obtained ? of three publications of marriage bans of ?, & their having given the neuptial benedition with the prescribed ceremonies by our mother The Saint Church, & this one near Etienne Chabot, following the father of the wife, ? Baptiste Volin, his friend , of Jean Baptiste Menard brother of the wife of Joseph Richard, & of many others, as well as the spouses, declared to have signed, this request, section made.

L. Martin
Pere

Source: Quebec Archives, Hull Branch, Reel: 2565, Volume 4, Folio 35, Frame: none shown.
Researcher: Calvin G. Lamb, viewed 18 JL 2000
.

 

Figure 3. Marriage record for George and Charlotte Grimshaw. Image courtesy of Calvin Lamb.

 

Apparently George was baptized on the same day of his marriage to  Charlotte, perhaps as a precondition to being married in the Catholic church in St. Luc. Calvin Lamb has found the record and translated it as shown below, again in French and then English. This record can also be found on Calvin’s website at the address shown above. An image of the original record is shown in Figure 4.

Saint Luc Catholic Church - 1817

B de George Grimshaw 115 

Le neuf Septembre mil huit cent dix-sept, par nous Pasteur sessigne Cure eu cette Caroisse a ete baptise George age de dix neuf ans, Fil Legitime de Guilliamme Grimshaw cultivateur, & d'Elizabeth Lepniaah ses prset & mere, de St Armand, Isle Paroisse de St Pierre. Nous en avon ete de parrain & de marraine a ete Desmoiselle Sophie Marchand qui a signe avec nous: Le pere etait absent.

Sophie Marchand

L. Martin
Pere

Source:  Quebec Archives, Hull Branch, Reel: 2565, Volume 4, Folio 35, Frame: none shown.
Researcher: Calvin G. Lamb, viewed 18 JL 2000
.

The record in English is as follows:

Saint Luc Catholic Church - 1817

B of George Grimshaw 115

The ninth of September one thousand eight hundred seventeen, by our ? did baptise George age of nineteen years, legitimate son of William Grimshaw farmer, & of Elizabeth Lepniaah ? & mother, of St. Armand, Island Parish of St. Pierre. We have been godfather & godmother has been Miss Sophie Marchand who signed with us: His father was absent

Sophie Marchand

L. Martin
Pere

Source:  Quebec  Archives, Hull Branch, Reel: 2565, Volume 4, Folio 35, Frame: none shown.
Researcher: Calvin G. Lamb, viewed 18 JL 2000
.

 

Figure 4. George's Baptism Record. Image courtesy of Calvin Lamb.

Author's note: It has been pointed out by Barbara Bonner that close examination of these two records shows that Elizabeth's last name is more likely to be Zephaniah than Lepninah, as interpreted by Calvin Lamb. Both records indicate a spelling of "Zepniaah," which is probably the best that a French-speaking clerk could do with the name "Zephaniah." This interpretation would also be consistent with the first name of their likely oldest son, Zephaniah (see companion webpage on William and Elizabeth Grimshaw's life in New Hampshire.)

 

Probable Connection to William Grimshaw, Revolutionary War Veteran

George Grimshaw is indicated in the above records as being the son of William and Elizabeth (Zephaniah or Lepninah) Grimshaw. This William is likely to be the William who fought in the Revolutionary War on the side of the colonials. His service is described on a companion webpage. After the war, this William lived in New Hampshire; records of his life life in that state are also described on a companion webpage. Since George was born in New Hampshire (see 1880 U.S. Census record below) at the time that William had a growing family there, it is highly likely (but still unproven) that George was their son. The 1880 census record indicates that George's parents were both born in England, but no connection of William back to Lancashire or elsewhere in England has yet been established.

One of George's brothers was apparently Zephaniah Grimshaw, who was probably named after his mother's maiden name (see above.) Zephaniah and his several families are described on another companion webpage. His oldest son by his first marriage (to Jerusha Hunter) was named William (apparently after Zephaniah's father, the Revolutionary War William.) This younger William was married to Mary Ann Blair and settled on Wolfe Island; they and their family are described on yet another companion webpage. Thus, it is likely that George and Charlotte, when they settled on Wolfe Island, joined George's nephew, William (and Mary Ann) Grimshaw, who had moved there earlier.

Many descendants of George and Charlotte hope for "smoking gun" proof that George was the son of William, which will establish their lineage back to a veteran of the Revolutionary War.

 

Possible Mariner Connections of George Grimshaw Line

Family lore has it that George came from an English family of mariners and immigrated to Canada after marrying Charlotte, a French Canadian. An example of this family lore is a letter from Thomas H. Grimshaw (a descendant of George and Charlotte) to his niece, Fern Grimshaw, written in 1939, which contains the excerpt shown below. Thanks to Robert Grimshaw for making the letter from which this excerpt came available to the author.

…Yes, I knew all your grandfather’s brothers. They were George, John, Alex and Mike and a sister Lida. Their father’s name was John and his father’s name was John (editor’s note – this is in error; the correct name is George) and he came from England from a very rich family. His father owned a bunch of ships and my great-grandfather was Captain on one of them and he sailed from England to Canada one time. When he went back home to England he took a wife with him, a French girl. His dad disowned him for marrying in Canada and gave him his share and sent him back to Canada to stay. So that started the Grimshaws in this country…

Further indication of possible mariner connections of this Grimshaw line comes from the records (written about 1984) of Lyra Hodgin, a South Dakota descendant of John James, the third child of George and Charlotte, concerning John James:

Our knowledge of the Grimshaw family is quite limited. It begins with John Grimshaw who was a Canadian who was a sailor on the Great Lakes we were told by his son George (T.) Grimshaw, who was my Grandfather. I do not know which Lake but since he lived in Wisconsin the first we knew of him I have an idea it was Superior. However George G. was born in Canada so it could have been one of the others.

 

Location and Photos of Land Owned by George and Charlotte on Wolfe Island

Barbara Bonner has found records of land ownership on Wolfe Island by George and Charlotte. These records have been plotted on the "Meacham Map1," which is shown on a companion webpage (on George's presumed nephew, William Grimshaw) in three parts. The easternmost segment, which shows the parcel owned by George and Charlotte is shown in Figure 5 below. The parcel apparently owned by George and Charlotte is indicated by an arrow in Figure 5.

Figure 5. Meacham map1 of eastern tip of Wolfe Island, showing location of parcel of land apparently owned by George and Charlotte

 

A Google Earth image of the area on Wolfe Island where George and Charlotte had their land is shown below. Their plot would have been southwest of the white area just offshore of the island.

 

Barbara Bonner briefly visited the parcel of land indicated in the map in the summer of 2000 and took a few photos. Two of these photos are shown in Figures  6 and 7 below.

Figure 6. Photo of home currently located on the parcel of land on Wolfe Island previously owned by George and Charlotte Menard. Note the body of water barely visible to the left of the large tree, on the left side of the photo. This body of water is the headwaters of the St. Lawrence River. Thanks to Barbara Bonner for providing this photo.

Figure 7. View of the same property, where George and Charlotte lived on Wolfe Island. This view is taken from the left side of the house and clearly shows the St. Lawrence River through the trees. Thanks again to Barbara Bonner for providing this picture. 

 

1880 U.S. Census Record Showing George Grimshaw Record

The 1880 U.S. Census includes a record showing George Grimshaw living with Robert and Alice Smith and their children in Oak Dale, Monroe County, Wisconsin as shown in a companion webpage. This record is reproduced in Figure 8 below. It indicates that George is a widowed grandfather, age 100, who was born in New Hampshire. Terry (Grimshaw) Micks deserves credit for originally finding this record and understanding its significance, as described below.

 

Figure 8. 1880 U.S. Census Record for Wisconsin from companion webpage showing George Grimshaw living in Oak Dale Wisconsin.

Census Place:

Oak Dale, Monroe, Wisconsin

       

WI-1

Source:

FHL Film 1255439 National Archives Film T9-1439 Page 35A

         
 

Relation

Sex

Marr

Race

Age

Birthplace

Robert SMITH

Self

M

M

W

30

WI

Occ:

Farmer

Fa: NY

Mo: NY

     

Alice SMITH

Wife

F

M

W

19

CANA

Fa: CANA

Mo: CANA

         

Carie SMITH

Dau

F

S

W

13

WI

Occ:

Servant

Fa: WI

Mo: NY

     

John SMITH

Son

M

S

W

12

WI

Fa: WI

Mo: NY

         

Adeline SMITH

Dau

F

S

W

10

WI

Fa: WI

Mo: NY

         

Hugh SMITH

Son

M

S

W

7

WI

Fa: WI

Mo: NY

         

George GRIMSHAW

GFather

M

W

W

100

NH

 

The original census record has been obtained from microfilm and scanned; the resulting images are shown below in Figures 9 and 10. Note that George is shown as "Grandfather-in-law" rather than Grandfather. The ages of the children indicate that Alice cannot be their mother, so the children were apparently born to a prior marriage of Robert Smith. Thus it seems likely that George was the father of Robert's previous wife (mother of the children,) who is unknown at this time.

Since George was born in about 1794, his age was probably 86, rather than the 100 shown in the record.

 

Figure 9. Image of original 1880 U. S. Census record, showing George Grimshaw (on line 7) as "Grandfather-in-law."

 

An image of the right-hand side of the record for George is shown in Figure 8 below. Note in line 7 that George's birthplace is shown (faintly) as New Hampshire. Both his parents are shown as having been born in England. The indicated birthplace of George in New Hampshire is the best evidence currently available of his being descended from William and Elizabeth (Lepninah) Grimshaw, the only Grimshaws apparently living in that state during that timeframe. Note also that both of William's parents are indicated as having been born in England.

 

Figure 10. Image of the same record as in Figure 7, showing George Grimshaw's birthplace (line 7) as being in New Hampshire.

 

Final Resting Places of George and Charlotte Grimshaw

It is not known at this time where Charlotte (Menard) Grimshaw is buried, but it seems likely that she was interred in Canada. George apparently migrated with his sons to Wisconsin, probably after the passing of his wife. It is believed by descendants of George and Charlotte who are conducting family history research, particularly Terry (Grimshaw) Micks, that George is buried in the Oakdale, Wisconsin cemetery with two of his sons, Alexander Eli Grimshaw and Eli George Grimshaw. A photo of the probable burial site is shown in Figure 11. The graveyard sign is shown in Figure 12.

 

Figure 11. Likely burial location of George Grimshaw. The plot extends from behind the bush on the left to the longer horizontal stone on the right. The grave marker of Alexander Eli Grimshaw, one of George's sons, is the gray one to the left of the evergreen tree (the gravestone has a heavy growth of lichens at the top and the base). The graves of George Grimshaw and Eli George Grimshaw, another son, are apparently at this location but are unmarked.

 

Figure 12. Sign at the Oakdale Cemetery, Oakdale, Wisconsin. The grave marker of Alexander Eli Grimshaw can be seen below the "M" in the word "cemetery". George is probably located somewhere to the right of Alexander's grave marker.

 

Ancestor Information for Charlotte Menard from Madeleine Menard

Madeleine Menard has conducted extensive research on the family history of the Menards from whom Charlotte Menard is descended and has posted the results on a website with the following address

http://groups.msn.com/genealogiemenardditlafontaine/home

Summary ancestor information for Charlotte has been extracted and is provided below. Charlotte is a seventh generation descendant of the earliest French family member posted on Madeleine Menard's website. This information indicates that Charlotte was married to George Grimshaw, son of William ("Guilliamme" in French) Grimshaw. 

ii Charlotte Ménard. Elle a épousé Georges Grimshaw, marié(e) 9 sep 1817 à St-Luc, Québec, n. à Allemagne, (fils de Guillaume Grimshaw et Elizabeth Lepninah).

Gratitude is again expressed to Madeleine Menard for making this information available on her website.

Generations 1 and 2

Famille de Jacques Ménard dit Lafontaine et Catherine Fortier MadoMenard 7/17/2005

Anne Ménard dit Lafontaine.doc 72 K MadeleineMenard 7/26/2005

Catherine Ménard dit Lafontaine.doc 57 K MadeleineMenard 7/26/2005

Jean Ménard dit Lafontaine.doc 832 K MadeleineMenard 7/26/2005

Jean-Baptiste Ménard dit Lafontaine.doc 1008 K MadoMenard 7/21/2005

Jeanne-Françoise Ménard dit Lafontaine.doc 150 K MadeleineMenard 7/26/2005

5 Louis Ménard dit Lafontaine.doc 695 K MadoMenard 7/21/2005

Marguerite Ménard dit Lafontaine.doc 62 K MadeleineMenard 7/26/2005

Marie Ménard dit Lafontaine.doc 240 K MadoMenard 7/18/2005

Maurice Ménard dit Lafontaine (1ère partie).doc 714 K MadeleineMenard 8/8/2005

Maurice Ménard dit Lafontaine (2ième partie).doc 757 K MadeleineMenard 8/8/2005

Thérèse Ménard dit Lafontaine.doc 36 K MadeleineMenard 7/26/2005

Generation 3

5. Louis Ménard dit Lafontaine, n. 28 jul 1662 à Trois-Rivières, Québec, baptême 28 jul 1662 à Trois-Rivières, Québec. Il a épousé Marie-Anne Février, marié(e) 12 déc 1691 à Boucherville, Québec, n. 20 jun 1676 à Boucherville, Québec, (fille de Christophe Février sieur de Lacroix et Marie Martin) baptême 22 jun 1676 à Boucherville, Québec. Louis décès: 1742 à Boucherville, Québec, sépulture 11 mai 1742 à Boucherville, Québec.

Enfant(s):

i Louis Ménard, n. 24 sep 1692 à Boucherville, Québec, baptême 24 sep 1692 à Boucherville, Québec.

29. ii Marie-Anne Ménard n. 28 déc 1693.

30. iii Geneviève Ménard n. 15 jan 1696.

31. iv Marie-Rose Ménard n. 30 mai 1698.

32. v Jean-Baptiste Ménard n. 1 oct 1699.

33. vi Joseph Ménard n. 20 nov 1701.

34. vii Marie-Jeanne Ménard n. 20 jan 1704.

viii Pierre Ménard, n. 14 nov 1705 à Boucherville, Québec, baptême 14 nov 1705 à Boucherville, Québec.

ix François Ménard, n. 17 jan 1708 à Boucherville, Québec, baptême 19 jan 1708 à Boucherville, Québec, d. 6 jan 1711 à Boucherville, Québec, sépulture 7 jan 1711 à Boucherville, Québec.

35. x Charlotte Ménard n. 25 oct 1710.

xi Marie-Agathe Ménard, n. 25 jun 1712 à Boucherville, Québec, baptême 26 jun 1712 à Boucherville, Québec, d. 14 jul 1712 à Boucherville, Québec, sépulture 15 jul 1712 à Boucherville, Québec.

36. xii Antoine Ménard n. 29 jul 1713.

xiii François Ménard, n. 9 mai 1715 à Boucherville, Québec, baptême 11 mai 1715 à Boucherville, Québec, d. 14 sep 1715 à Boucherville, Québec, sépulture 15 sep 1715 à Boucherville, Québec.

37. xiv Marie-Anne Ménard n. 28 jul 1716.

38. xv Marie-Renée Ménard n. 14 mar 1719.

39. xvi René Ménard n. 2 mai 1721.

Generation 4

32. Jean-Baptiste Ménard, n. 1 oct 1699 à Boucherville, Québec, baptême 1 oct 1699 à Boucherville, Québec. Il a épousé (1) Françoise Bau, marié(e) 3 fév 1722 à Boucherville, Québec, n. 1696, (fille de Jean Bau et Étiennette Loret) d. 1759, sépulture 18 jul 1759 à Chambly, Québec. Il a épousé (2) Marie-Marguerite Sansoucy, marié(e) 25 jan 1761 à Chambly, Québec, (fille de Guillaume James dit Sansoucy et Catherine-Antoinette Limousin) baptême 17 jan 1715 à Pointe-aux-Trembles, Québec. Jean-Baptiste décès: 7 déc 1759.

Enfant(s):

136. i Marie-Anne Ménard n. 14 nov 1722.

ii Marie-Renée Ménard, n. 26 mai 1724 à Boucherville, Québec, baptême 27 mai 1724 à Boucherville, Québec.

137. iii Marie-Catherine Ménard n. 20 déc 1725.

iv Marie-Jeanne Ménard, baptême 13 sep 1727 à Chambly, Québec.

v Marie-Hélène Ménard, n. 10 oct 1728 à Chambly, Québec, baptême 10 oct 1728 à Chambly, Québec.

138. vi Jean-Baptiste Amable Ménard n. 11 oct 1729.

vii Marie-Louise Ménard, n. 16 jan 1731 à Chambly, Québec, d. 1731 à Chambly, Québec, sépulture 24 jun 1731 à Chambly, Québec.

viii Gervais Joseph Ménard, n. 24 mai 1732 à Chambly, Québec, d. 21 jun 1733 à Chambly, Québec.

139. ix Joseph Ménard n. 19 jun 1733.

140. x Françoise Ménard n. 1734.

xi Joseph Amable Ménard, n. 22 nov 1735 à Chambly, Québec, baptême 22 nov 1735 à Chambly, Québec.

Generation 5

139. Joseph Ménard, n. 19 jun 1733 à Chambly, Québec. Il a épousé Marie-Jeanne Aupry dit Laramée, marié(e) 10 jan 1757 à Laprairie, Québec, n. 25 oct 1738, (fille de François Aupry dit Laramée et Marie-Jeanne Rivet).

Enfant(s):

246. i François Ménard n. 20 avr 1758.

247. ii Joseph Ménard n. 9 jun 1755.

iii Josephte Ménard. Elle a épousé Laurent Dupuis, marié(e) 4 nov 1793 à Chambly, Québec, (fils de Joseph Dupuis et Marie St-Aubin).

248. iv Julien Ménard n. 16 oct 1761.

v Marie-Françoise Ménard. Elle a épousé Jean-Baptiste Monty, marié(e) 17 fév 1794 à Chambly, Québec, (fils de Claude Monty et Marie-Anne Royer).

249. vi Louis Ménard n. 27 mai 1763.

250. vii Jean Ménard.

251. viii Jean-Baptiste Ménard n. 12 avr 1765.

ix Albert Ménard, n. 1766, baptême 20 déc 1780 à Chambly, Québec, d. 22 déc 1780 à Chambly, Québec.

x Marie-Charlotte Ménard. Elle a épousé Gabriel Brouillet, marié(e) 28 jan 1798 à Varennes, Québec, (fils de Baptiste Brouillet et Madeleine Brodeur).

252. xi Toussaint Ménard.

Generation 6

251. Jean-Baptiste Ménard, n. 12 avr 1765 à Laprairie, Québec, baptême 13 avr 1765 à Laprairie, Québec. Il a épousé Marie Clément, marié(e) 22 sep 1794 à Laprairie, Québec, (fille de Basile Clément et Marie-Charlotte Gipoulou).

Enfant(s):

i Barthelemy Ménard, n. 1795. Il a épousé Cécile Labute, marié(e) 16 jan 1821 à Windsor, Ontario, (fille de Pierre Labute et Desanges Langlois). Barthelemy décès: 11 mai 1852 à Windsor, Ontario.

ii Charlotte Ménard. Elle a épousé Georges Grimshaw, marié(e) 9 sep 1817 à St-Luc, Québec, n. à Allemagne, (fils de Guillaume Grimshaw et Elizabeth Lepninah).

iii Jean-Baptiste Ménard, n. 1 mar 1796 à Chambly, Québec, d. 13 jul 1796 à Chambly, Québec, sépulture 15 jul 1796 à Chambly, Québec.

365. iv Jean-Baptiste Ménard.

v Marie Ménard, n. 1799, d. 9 mar 1807 à Laprairie, Québec, sépulture 10 mar 1807 à Laprairie, Québec.

vi Marguerite Ménard, n. 1803, d. 4 mar 1807 à Laprairie, Québec, sépulture 5 mar 1807 à Laprairie, Québec.

vii Catherine Ménard, n. 1805 à Laprairie, Québec, d. 6 mar 1807 à Laprairie, Québec, sépulture 7 mar 1807 à Laprairie, Québec.

viii Luc Ménard, n. 1 mar 1807, d. 20 avr 1807 à Laprairie, Québec, sépulture 21 avr 1807 à Laprairie, Québec.

ix Reine Ménard, n. 1 jan 1808, d. 23 déc 1809 à Laprairie, Québec, sépulture 24 déc 1809 à Laprairie, Québec.

x François Gabriel Ménard. Il a épousé Marie Dufresne, marié(e) 18 mai 1848 à Windsor, Ontario, (fille de Nicolas Dufresne et Marianne Lafôret).

 

Descendants of George and Charlotte Grimshaw's Children, Marcelina and Eli George Grimshaw

Research by Barbara Bonner, received in November 2008 and in January and February 2009, provides much interesting information on two of George and Charlotte's children. This information is shown below as a chain of e-mails. Thanks to Barbara for providing these e-mails.

Grimshaw (what else!)

From: Barbara Bonner (barbb@sympatico.ca) Sent: Sun 11/09/08 2:30 PM

To: Grimshaw, Thomas (thomas_grimshaw@hotmail.com); Terry M. Micks (bobterry@acegroup.cc)

Hi Terry & Tom:

While going back through some of my files I came across some interesting information which I received some time ago. At the time it was somewhat puzzling and I set it aside and promptly forgot about it. Recently I started doing a little checking up on the information and came up with the following.

The information received from a correspondent was about a Mahala/Mahalah Grimshaw who had married a man named John Moses. They had a son baptized on Wolfe Island supposedly at Sacred Heart church in 1846. (I’m not sure about this as SC was not established until about 1854) Anyway, on the 1851 census of Wolfe Island there are a George Moses b ca 1842 and a John Moses b ca 1844. The two boys are residing in the household of George and Charlotte Grimshaw. Nothing was found for John Sr. or Mahala at that time. It is assumed that Mahala died before 1855 since John Sr. married a Catherine Crowley in Cape Vincent, NY in 1855.

John Moses jr. married Christina Sudds in 1869. They were living in Kent Co. Further information that was passed on indicated that the obit for Christina states that she was once married to Eli Grimshaw and also says that after his /_death_/ she married John Moses and he raised her /_three_/ children from her marriage to Eli. I found Christina and John on the 1881 census of Kent Co. and there are two children there with the name of Moses but who would have been born prior to the marriage of John and Christina. One is Joseph b ca 1861 and the other is Louise W. b ca 1865. It would appear that these are Grimshaw children and the third child is probably the Mary J. that you previously found Terry. Further proof of these children would probably be found in the previous census records which unfortunately aren’t on line and it means heading down to Queen’s University to see the films. I have done a little further research through the civil registration which I won’t go into at the moment, however, I wanted to pass this on to you for your comments. It is possible that Mahala is a sister to George & Zephaniah, one of the three younger girls in the family of William and Elizabeth according to the 1800 census. The name Mahala appears twice in George’s family line which seems significant. It may be that we have found another family line!

Best regards,

Barbara

 

RE: Grimshaw (what else!)

From: Thomas Grimshaw (thomas_grimshaw@hotmail.com) Sent: Sun 11/09/08 4:18 PM

To: Barb Bonner (barbb@sympatico.ca); Terry Micks (bobterry@acegroup.cc)

Terry replied to a Grimshaw Message Board on Ancestry in September 2003. Does anyone know who Skye Yung might be?

From: http://www.grimshaworigin.org/Webpages2/GwImmigIndications.htm 

Mahala Grimshaw and John Moses

Skye Yung posted the following message on the Grimshaw Message Board on Ancestry.com in September 2003:

Does anyone know the parents of George Grimshaw ? He married a Charlotte Menard. Would anyone know if he had a sister Mahala? Seeking info on a Mahala Grimshaw that married a John Moses before 1846.Mahala passed away before 1855 . John Moses remarried a Catherine Crowley 1855. Family lived on /around Wolfe Island Frontenac Co Ont.

Skye

Terry Micks provided the following reply in October:

I have several Mahala's in my Grimshaw line. I am a direct descendant of George and Charlotte. George and Charlotte's son, Alexander has a daughter named Mahala. Alexander also has a granddaughter who was named Mahala so it would certainly seem to be a family name that may have originated with George's generation. There are several researchers working on this particular family line. We believe George to be the son of William and Elizabeth (Lepinah?) who lived in New Hampshire prior to moving to Canada. George married Charlotte in Quebec and they settled in Wolfe Island for many years before coming to the U.S. Census records indicate that George probably had several sisters, one of whom may have been Betsy I believe, but I do not know if there is documentation of the other sisters. This is truly exciting information because it opens up a whole new avenue of research.

Mahala Grimshaw may have been the sister of George Grimshaw (m. Charlotte Menard), who is described on a companion webpage.

Thomas W. Grimshaw

1308 Shannon Oaks Trail

Austin, TX 78746

512/784-1078

thomas.w@grimshaw.com

 

Grimshaw

From: Barbara Bonner (barbb@sympatico.ca) Sent: Sun 11/09/08 5:41 PM

To: Grimshaw, Thomas (thomas_grimshaw@hotmail.com)

Hi Tom:

I quickly went through the sites you attached. There are bits and pieces in each of them that I have in my file for Christina and John Moses. One thing I find interesting is the fact that Eli Grimshaw was supposed to have been deceased when Christina married again. There are more than one possibility that could have happened. They could have divorced, or perhaps just separated and because they ended up in different countries, they just married again whether legal or not. On the marriage registration for Christina and John, she is listed under her maiden name and not as Christina Grimshaw. This sounds like the same sort of situation with Zephaniah and his many marriages. His wife Asenath was still alive when he married Ellen Sheahan. Consider the story told by Asenath when she moved to Grey Co., that her husband had died in the American war! Anyway, would genealogy be as interesting if all our relatives were saints?

I just keep plugging away at the research. I find the Grimshaws the most interesting of my families.. I do have to once in a while tell myself to work on some of my other lines which seem to get thoroughly neglected when I get immersed in the Grimshaw family. I have updated and added to the information you now have of mine. I have been able to add a little more information to the line of John Nelson Grimshaw. After his death during the civil war, his family seemed to have disappeared and I have managed to track down two or three of his children which helps fill in a bit. And I am still adding to my file on tragic accidents.

If you feel it would be helpful, you can add my e-mail address to the William and Elizabeth site. It will possibly cause an increase in e-mail but it might also bring some further info on some of the more elusive relatives.

Best Regards,

Barbara

 

Re: John Moses and his Grimshaw wife

From: Barbara Bonner (barbb@sympatico.ca) Sent: Thu 1/15/09 12:23 PM

To: Thomas Grimshaw (thomas_grimshaw@hotmail.com); Terry M. Micks (bobterry@acegroup.cc)

Hi Tom and Terry:

I think I may have solved the mystery of John Moses and his Grimshaw wife. I finally took the time to check the registers of St. Mary's R.C. Cathedral for any reference to the Moses family. As you know I was rather suspect about the baptism of John Moses in 1846 supposedly in Sacred Heart Church on Wolfe Island due to the fact that this church was not established at that time. Fortunately I did find the references to this family and there seems to have been an error with regard to the mother's name in this particular baptism which has created some of the problem. I found the following in St. Mary's

1845 - Moses, George, baptized August 7, 12 months old, son of John Moses and Marcelline Grimshaw. Sponsors, Fabien Jantreau and Bridget Sweeny.

1846 - Moses, John, baptized June 8, born January 13, son of John Moses and Mahaly Grimshaw of Long Island. Sponsors, Thomas Germain and Julia Besain

1847 - Mrs. Marceline Moses, interred February 18, aged 21 years of Long Island. Witness, her husband, John Moses and Martin Staley.

These records seem to indicate that the entry for John's baptism has an incorrect Christian name given for his mother. I would therefore assume that these entries refer to Marceline, daugther of George Grimshaw and Charlotte Menard. Her age of 21 at death fits in with a possible year of birth for her of 1847. Your comments would be appreciated.

Barbara :-)

 

Re: Grimshaw (what else!)

From: Barbara Bonner (barbb@sympatico.ca) Sent: Sun 2/01/09 1:34 PM

To: Thomas Grimshaw (thomas_grimshaw@hotmail.com)

Hi Tom:

I have been doing a bit of research on the family of John Moses and Marceline Grimshaw and have found a few more things to pass on. I thought I might just ramble on a bit about what I found and what I have gleaned from other information passed on to me. I hope you can make some sense of it.

-John and Marceline had 2 sons Joseph and John. After Marceline’s death John remarried to Catherine Crowley and had a daughter Catherine apparently born on Wolfe Island.

-Eli George Grimshaw married Hanna Christine Sudds ca 1860. They had 3 children, Joseph born ca 1861 on Wolfe Island (bapt. Found), Louisa Ann, born ca 1863 (possibly WI or Kingston), Mary Jane b ca 1865 (possibly WI or Kingston). Eli and Hanna must have separated sometime after Mary Jane’s birth. Eli remarried to Elizabeth Sarah Ann Pepper and had son, James Leonard born ca 1869 in NY. In the meantime, Hanna Christina remarried to John Moses, son of John and Marceline, August 29, 1869 in Kingston. John Moses died January 21, 1918 in Wallaceburg, Kent Co., ON aged 73 (In an old e-mail from Skye (2003) she states that she found Christina’s obit and it does state that she was once married to Eli Grimshaw and when her husband ‘passed’ she remarried to John Moses and he raised her three children from her marriage to Eli. – unfortunately I never found out where she found this obit)

-It would appear that John Moses and Hanna Christina Sudds did not have any children, however, they did raise Hanna Christina’s children from her marriage to Eli Grimshaw. On all records that I have found, the three children use the surname Moses, and on marriage records, they list parents as John and Christina. – Eli is not mentioned at all.

-Joseph (Grimshaw) Moses married Susan Jane Garvey, April 18, 1882, in Wallaceburg, Kent Co., ON. They had a family of at least 5 children, Charlot, John, George, Alfred Hyram, and Shephard. Shephard enlisted in the Canadian army in WWI. Shephard was found in 1920 living in Michigan with wife Amy and son Dennis aged 1` month, born Michigan. Alfred Hyram married Emily Schram, January 19, 1916 in London, Middlesex Co., ON.

-Louisa Ann (Grimshaw) Moses married George Wilson, January 1, 1879 in Wallaceburg, Kent Co., ON. I have nothing further on this couple so far.

-Mary Jane (Grimshaw) Moses married William Slocum January 22, 1877 in Wallaceburg, Kent Co., ON. Not much else found on this couple. There is a death of a child, William John Slocum, 3 Dec. 1879 aged 2, a possible son of this marriage. By 1894, Mary Jane is in Michigan, and married John Diggan (as per information from Terry). They are living in Wayne Co. Michigan in 1900.

I haven’t yet entered this information into my genealogy program but wanted to pass on these bits and pieces for your information – hope you find it interesting.

Regards,

Barbara

 

The information above from Barbara allows the following expansion of the descendant chart for George and Charlotte Grimshaw's children, Marcelina and Eli George as follows:

George Grimshaw (About 1794 - ) & Charlotte Menard (About 1795 - )

|-----Christiana Grimshaw (25 Dec 1825 - ) & John Egner

|-----|-----Sarah Ann Egner (16 Feb 1848 - )

|-----Marcelina Grimshaw (About Jan 1828 - ) & John Moses

|-----|-----George Moses (About 1844 - ?)

|-----|-----John Moses Jr (13 Jan 1846 - 21 Jan 1918, Wallaceburg, ON) & Hannah Christiana Sudds Grimshaw. Married 29 Aug 1869.

|-----John James Grimshaw* (1 Aug 1829 - 19 Mar 1907) & Mary Ann Mahoney (About 1822 - )

|-----John James Grimshaw* (1 Aug 1829 - 19 Mar 1907) & Margaret Newburn (30 Jul 1839 - 4 Feb 1903)

|-----Henrietta Grimshaw (About 1833 - )

|-----Charlotte Rosalie Grimshaw (12 May 1835 - )

|-----Eli George Grimshaw* (22 Feb 1838 - Jan 1885) & Hannah Christiana Sudds (About 1841 - ). Married about 1860.

|-----|-----Joseph Amos Grimshaw Moses# (About 1861, Wolfe Island, ON - ) & Susan Jane Garvey. Married 18 Apr 1882, Wallaceburg, ON.

|-----|-----|-----Charlot Moses

|-----|-----|-----John Moses

|-----|-----|-----George Moses

|-----|-----|-----Alfred Hyram Moses & Emily Schram. Married 29 Jan 1916

|-----|-----|-----Shepard Moses & Amy ?

|-----|-----Louisa Ann Grimshaw Moses# (About 1863 - ) & George Wilson. Married 1 Jan 1879, Wallaceburg, On

|-----|-----Mary Jane Grimshaw Moses#* (About 1865 - ?) & William Slocum. Married 22 Jan 1877, Wallaceburg, On.

|-----|-----Mary Jane Grimshaw Moses#* (About 1865 - ?) & John Diggan

|-----Eli George Grimshaw* (22 Feb 1838 - Jan 1885) & Sarah Elizabeth Pepper (3 Jun 1850 - 3 Sep 1911)

|-----|-----James Leonard Grimshaw (25 Feb 1870 - ) & Martini (Martha) Christensen (22 Apr 1874 - )

|-----Levi Bartholomew Grimshaw (22 Jun 1863 - ) & Catherine (About 1845 - )

|-----|-----Mary Grimshaw (About 1864 - )

#Took step-father, John Moses, surname

Interestingly, John Moses, son of John and Marcelina (Grimshaw) Moses married his aunt, Hannah Christiana Sudds Grimshaw (former wife of Eli George Grimshaw) and raised his three cousins as his children. This connection is confirmed in a subsequent train of e-mails shown below.

Thomas Grimshaw wrote:

Barbara,

This is complicated!

So John Moses Jr. raised the three children of Eli Grimshaw, who was the brother of his mother Marcelina, and therefore his uncle, I guess, correct? That is, he raised his cousins as his children? Kinda weird...

Anyway, too bad Marcelina wasn't Mahala and a sister of George, thus accounting for another of William's children....

Best,

Tom

 

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:22:51 -0500

From: barbb@sympatico.ca

To: thomas_grimshaw@hotmail.com

Subject: Re: Grimshaw (what else!)

Tom:

It is a rather complicated arrangement - including the fact that John married his 'aunt-in-law'. I think I have that right but it is late! I wonder if Eli and Christina divorced or if they just said 'what the heck' since both were in different countries. On the marriage registration for John and Christina, she is listed as 'single'. I've wondered the same thing about Zephaniah and Asenath, if they divorced before he married Ellen Sheean. Aren't our ancestors interesting?

Too bad we didn't discover another sister but at least we now we know what happened to Marceline

Barbara

 

Thomas Grimshaw wrote:

Barb,

I tried to find an old record from when I was getting started in this that indicates that George had a sister Mahala. But no luck finding it so far.

Do you think that's true?

Best,

Tom

Thomas W. Grimshaw

1308 Shannon Oaks Trail Austin, TX 78746 512/784-1078 thomas.w@grimshaw.com

 

Re: Grimshaw (what else!)

From: Barbara Bonner (barbb@sympatico.ca)

Sent: Mon 2/02/09 10:41 AM

To: Thomas Grimshaw (thomas_grimshaw@hotmail.com)

Tom:

I certainly think it is a possibility that there was a Mahalah in the original family. The name appears about 3 times in my records, although always in George's line. That might indicate that George had a sister by that name - or it might come from Charlotte's family, although, it doesn't seem to be (in my mind) a French sounding name OR they could just have liked the name! I certainly would like to put names to the 3 daughters and 1 son which still don't seem to be identified in that original family. Nothing further has been found for the sister Betsy who married William Blair. More than one William Blair appears in the early census records but without the names of the other members in the family it's impossible to follow the line. By the 1850 census when all names appear, either William or Betsy could be deceased and I have never found anything that seemed relevant. I belong to the New England Historic Genealogical Society and they have a lot of records on line for members, however, I have never come across anything on the family. Maybe I should contact them to try and find out where would be the best place to search for records for the area they lived in. It might mean a visit to the area or hiring a researcher which might be worth while if records could be found. I have searched through any early papers that I have from the beginning of my research and I have found nothing that gives any reference to an early Mahalah. I guess we will just have to keep digging.

Regards,

Barb

 

Reference

1J.H. Meacham & Co., 1878, Illustrated Historical Atlas of the Counties of Frontenac, Lennox, and Addington: Toronto, ON, unk. p.

 

Home Page

Webpage posted August 2000, updated February 2002, March 2002. Updated February 2006 with Charlotte Menard ancestor information. Updated June 2006 with addition of grave photos in Oakdale cemetery. Updated December 2007 with addition of Google Earth image of George and Charlotte Grimshaw's former property location. Webpage updated February 2009 with addition of information on George and Charlotte Grimshaw's children Marcelina and Eli George Grimshaw.